This site says "We can use a perfect khung with have + -ed size after modal verbs, especially where the report looks back to lớn a hypothetical event in the past."

The site also says modal verbs lượt thích would, should & might remain unchanged. Then which of my above answers is correct?

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John said that Paul would help us ...

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is fine. Also fine is a slight reduction of that:

John said Paul would help us ...

If you feel the need lớn stringently disambiguate your meaning, you could say

John said Paul would have helped us if we had needed a volunteer.

but this feels over-particular & may cloud the issue instead of clarifying it, since inevitably some users will struggle khổng lồ connect the dots with your perfect tensification.

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It"s actually kind of reported speech of reported speech, isn"t it? As you know, we usually backshift verbs when indirectly reporting speech, but you should only backshift once.

Your example is a little odd because it"s not clear when Paul"s help is needed. Lô ghích says it"s in the future, & so John is saying that Paul offered to help -- but in that case it seems more idiomatic lớn use need. The backshift khổng lồ needed is what makes it sound like a direct quote of an indirect quote. Normal conversation isn"t that complicated:

John said Paul would help us if we need a volunteer.

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Still, needed is fine, và would likely pass without notice.

John said Paul would help us if we needed a volunteer.

Although your reference says otherwise, there is no reason to lớn shift from the simple past khổng lồ a perfect tense. The perfect tense is normally used khổng lồ establish a relationship between two events in time. Your example is just a simple statement. Changing it to lớn the perfect only makes it more confusing.

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However, the perfect tense does work if the help was needed in the past, và John is only now tvachngannamlong.coming me that Paul offered help at the time.

John said that Paul would have helped us if we had needed the help. Gee, thanks John, for not saying something sooner.